[olug] Suse 9.3 Pro download

[Adam Haeder]

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I agree with Brian on most points. After being an RH user for many years,
my conversion to SuSE has been pretty painless. Although I've never been a
big fan of 'admin frontend tools', YaST is worth it's weight in gold.
The only area I've run into where Fedora wins is with third-party rpm
support (sites like freshrpms.net and
http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/apt/). Other than that, I have SuSE
running on laptops, desktops and servers and am very happy with it.

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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005, Brian Roberson wrote:

> good post - see inline comments...
>
> On Sun, Jul 10, 2005 at 11:27:05PM -0400, Dave Hull wrote:
> > During this thread, someone asked:
> >
> > >How would you guys rate Suse 9.3 to Fedora Core 4, or other distros?
> >
> > While I haven't used 9.3, I'll throw a few cents at you.
> >
> > I've used many distros over the years and have been paid to support RHEL and
> > SLES 9. My preference is for RHEL (and FC).
> >
> > On RH and FC, when you update the kernel, the previous version and it's
> > compiled
> > modules are left in place and booting to them is a simple matter of
> > selecting
> > the kernel version you want from the grub menu.
> >
> > Under SLES, when you update the kernel, the old one and it's modules
> > are removed
> > from the system. If the new kernel doesn't work, oops. You can't simply
> > reboot
> > and pick the old kernel from the menu. You've got to get a CD with the old
> > kernel version on it and boot from CD then uninstall the new kernel and
> > reinstall the old one.
>
> true - but are you saying you do not have a testing environment to test new kernels?
>
> how many times have you ran into this? ( unable to boot after kern update on suse )
> I have yet to experience this... not saying it could *not* happen; but after 7 years of
> suse on a wide variety of hardware... it has never came up... I attribute this to the
> stellar QA SuSE does on their kernel packages.
>
>
> >
> > Secondly, the default rule set for RHEL/FC IPTables is simple. You can look
> > at
> > it and make sense of it in fairly short order. Hence, maintaining it is
> > easy.
> >
> > Under SLES, the default rule set for IPTables is approximately a hundred
> > lines
> > of overkill and as a result, it's difficult to maintain.
> >
>
> yast firewall - cant get easier than that...
>
>
>
> > Thirdly, RHEL and FC3 (and up), both use up2date to keep systems
> > patched and to
> > install new software and it will resolve dependencies for you automatically.
> > You can configure it to save old packages so you can "roll back" to a
> > previous
> > version if needed. Up2date can be used from the command line which is nice
> > on
> > servers with no XWindows, and you can run it from cron to keep systems
> > updated
> > automatically.
> >
> > SLES uses online_update from the command line, but you can't install new
> > packages with it. You can only update currently installed packages. To
> > install
> > new software you have to use Yast which is an XWindows or Curses gui
> > application.
> >
> > There are times when it's nice to run up2date <package> to install something
> > that you don't currently have on the system.
> >
> > One thing I don't like about RH/FC is the lack of native support for NTFS
> > and
> > mp3. I understand they are taking the high ground and all, but having to
> > recompile modules to support those "standards" gets old.
> >
>
> yast sw_single
> or
> yast sw_single "packagename"
>
> > I'll give Suse this, their email support is top notch. They are very
> > helpful and
> > quick to respond, but I never had to use Red Hat's support via email so
> > I can't
> > vouch for it.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > --
> > Dave Hull
> > http://insipid.com
> >
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