[olug] (OT) - Free/Cheap Temporary Colo-space

Tue Mar 15 03:12:12 UTC 2005

I agree, we need to establish an intent that appeals to some companies with money. I know that hardware will not be an issue, leasing a line/lines and a good space without breaking our piggie banks is the hurdle.

  I was an FBO manager at an airport for about 5 years and I know we leased out our basement for 5 bucks per month to a non profit, the building was owned by the city. So I know there is cheap space around, there always is, maybe need alot of bleach to disinfect all the surfaces but I know theyre out there.
  As far as lines and a way to save on those, I dont have any worthy input on that, beg till thy get tired of hearing it?   "we wanna oc3", "we wanna oc3" We could try that  =D

  I am excited about this and I am willing to do whatever it takes to bring our ideas into a reality.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Trent Melcher" <trent at wispair.net>
To: "'Omaha Linux User Group'" <olug at olug.org>
Subject: RE: [olug] (OT) -  Free/Cheap Temporary Colo-space
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:05:38 -0600

> 
> Well, I am hosting my churches website at home right now,  I don't have Cox,
> so I don't have to deal with the port blocking.  Im taking car eof DNS and
> have battery backup and cool for my little data center in my basement,
> however, my pipe is only 256Kbps (advertised) Im actually getting close to
> 900Kbps up and down.  So far its runniing fine, but it's a wireless
> connection with line-of-site to the tower, so on really windy days (like
> last Thursday) my connection can drop intermitently, so Im looking for an
> alternative.  Im really interested into a facility of some sort.  Im working
> on a deal with a friend of mine right now, that is looking at moving his
> home office into a space in bellevue(close to his residence) he has offered
> me some space for a rack to hold my handful of servers.  He is going to have
> a dedicated T1 to start, and depending on his revenue and requirements might
> be increasing that.  This at least will be a good start for me, to host my
> web/dns/smb/mysql/postgresql servers.  Myabe there is a site somewhere in
> Omaha that could do something similar for our needs,  where are OLUGS
> currents servers residing?  Maybe there is a little space avaiable in that
> area?
> 
> Trent
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: olug-bounces at olug.org [mailto:olug-bounces at olug.org] On Behalf Of
> Craig Wolf
> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:29 PM
> To: olug at olug.org
> Subject: Re: [olug] (OT) - Free/Cheap Temporary Colo-space
> 
> Folks we are onto something worth looking into IMHO.  I am looking at
> setting up a small webserver/file server at home with my registered domain
> name but I am having to figure out how to "get around" cox's residential
> plan/blocking to do it.  I say that our next meeting should be just this
> discussion or setting the means to continue down this road.
>   How many "members" would be willing to put some money upfront/ongoing to do
> this, put forth hardware to get it started, dedicate time to upkeep,
> paperwork, expanding it for "non-profit" reasons to meet our needs, etc?
> Who will lead the effort?  This would not be a weekend event every 6 months,
> this would be ongoing.  I know that I would be willing to donate time and
> some money but I am in that position right now in my life where as some of
> our members are not.  (That could change in the next month with the baby
> coming but so goes life.)  This community of "geeks" is good but are we
> ready to take this next step and continue down it or are we just happy with
> no "dues" and going to the bar once a month??  Something to think
> about.......
> 
> Craig Wolf
> Linux Web Server Support
> Desktop/Network Specialist
> 402-894-6283
> 
> 
> >>> Sean Edwards <cybersean3000 at yahoo.com> 3/14/2005 >>>
> The idea of a non-profit organization is to spend as much as you bring in,
> thus the term non-profit.  The problem soon becomes "as much as you bring
> in" part.
> Many businesses and other organizations give to non-profit groups for the
> tax deduction, but the non-profit organization needs to have a goal a little
> loftier than "sponsor our electronic playground, please."  If OLUG is
> already set up as a  non-profit organization, there should be a mission
> statement and/or a purpose for being in the articles of incorporation, on
> file with the State of Nebraska.
> 
> Install fest is a good goal, to promote Linux in the community.  If you look
> at other similar ideas in the Linux community, you have Open Source
> projects, Linux distributions, Source Forge, and many other entities
> operating as non-profits.  There are other companies which offer OpenSource
> projects with commercial support, such as JBOSS and MySQL.  The trick is
> finding an angle that attracts interest from the business community.
> 
> Treasurer:
> * getting the bills paid ?
> 
> Mebership Director:
> * collecting "fees" from "customers" (or "dues"
> from "members", if you prefer) ?
> 
> Secretary, President
> (isn't OLUG already set up as a non-profit?)
> * putting up with the gov'ment (they can get antsy if they think we're
> running a business and aren't paying our taxes)?
> 
> Secretary, President, Treasurer:
> (don't forget liability)
> * insurance (vandalism, fire, flood, etc) ?
> 
> Plenty of volunteers for this:
> * sysadmin issues - infrastructure configuration and maintenance, defining
> and enforcing an AUP and the like?
> 
> Organize a Data Center exploration committee:
> * getting all of the above figured out ?
> 
> -=Sean Edwards=-
> 
> --- Phil Brutsche <phil at brutsche.us> wrote:
> > Jay Swackhamer wrote:
> > > If you wanted to have an independant Data
> > Center...
> > > > The industrial park at 156th & Center would be a
> > good location
> > > If I remember correctly, you can get bays in the
> > size range of
> > > 1000 square feet and up for around $800/month, so
> > figure on
> > > > Space  $800-$1000/month
> > > Utils  $300-$500 /month
> > > T1/DSL $300-$500/month
> >
> > That's on the low side for a T1, and we haven't done any research 
> > as to DSL availability in that area to know if it's available.
> >
> > Cox Optical Internet may be a better idea
> >
> (http://www.coxbusiness.com/systems/ne_omaha/coxoptical.asp)
> > - last I
> > heard they run the fiber line to the premises.
> >
> > > Initial Wiring Costs ~$3000(unless someone's an
> > electrician)
> > > Commitment would probably be a minimum of three
> > years.
> >
> > And let's not forget other materials - UPSs, switches, rackmount 
> > gear (shelves), etc.  Much of it is cheap enough that some people 
> > could donate hardware, but some of it isn't.
> >
> > OK, just for the sake of argument, let's say we did it (rented a 
> > bay in an industrial park and set up a low-budget data center).
> >
> > Who's going to be the point man (people?) for:
> >  * getting the bills paid ?
> >  * collecting "fees" from "customers" (or "dues"
> > from "members", if you
> >    prefer) ?
> >  * putting up with the gov'ment (they can get antsy if they think we're
> >    running a business and aren't paying our taxes) ?
> >  * insurance (vandalism, fire, flood, etc) ?
> >  * sysadmin issues - infrastructure configuration and maintenance,
> >    defining and enforcing an AUP and the like ?
> >  * getting all of the above figured out ?
> >
> > Is it worth it to start a non-profit organization of some kind 
> > (note the question above about the government)?
> >
> > Assuming a worst case of $2000/mo in expenses we would need 
> > several dozen "members" @ $50/mo - how much are people on this 
> > list willing to pay?
> >
> > Assuming that we'll need more "members" than the list can 
> > provide, can we find enough people to be "members" to make it 
> > work - alternate hosting methods to help take up the slack, 
> > perhaps?
> >
> > Are there cheaper alternatives, such as renting a cage at one of 
> > the already established colocation facilities (ie IP Revolution 
> > or First National)?
> >
> > And no, I am *not* volunteering to do anything right now, I'm 
> > just trying to stimulate some discussion.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Phil Brutsche
> > phil at brutsche.us
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