[olug] Community Colo Project

Thu Apr 2 21:01:59 UTC 2009

LLC is definitely the way to go.  Thirded, or fourthed, or whatever.  Years
ago a license was what, $35 ? heh.
P/NP differences I'm definitely unaware of.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Dan Clough <dclough at gmail.com> wrote:

> Seconded.  Is the process any different from that of a for-profit LLC?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Charles.Bird" <charles.bird at powerdnn.com>
>
> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:51:56
> To: Omaha Linux User Group<olug at olug.org>
> Subject: Re: [olug] Community Colo Project
>
>
> I think an LLC NP might be a good choice, i just googled it :)
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Curtis LaMasters
> <curtislamasters at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > I would rather see it be an LLC so I can somewhat learn how the
> > process works (future knowledge).
> >
> > Curtis LaMasters
> > http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
> > http://www.builtnetworks.com
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Dan Clough <dclough at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Being a legal entity (an LLC or an incorporated nonprofit) will allow
> > > opening a bank account under the business name.  That'll greatly
> > > simplify the financial aspect by funneling all the money through a
> > > central account.  Easier to pay the bills, easier to bill clients,
> > > easier all around.  Oh, and with an LLC, no one is personally liable.
> > >
> > > Now comes the million-dollar question - nonprofit or LLC?  Nonprofit
> has
> > > quite a few hurdles and requires large amounts of manpower and
> > > oversight.  An LLC from what I understand is much easier to operate.
> > >
> > > Curtis LaMasters wrote:
> > >> Why would we even need to be an entity?  I guess I could somehow see
> > >> it as an easier way to bill each other.  Depending on what the total
> > >> cost to do this is, auto billing could be setup to go to an OLUGish
> > >> type account where one of the members would pay
> > >> Cogent/CoSentry/Cox/etc.... Unless I'm totally lost it sounds pretty
> > >> easy to automate.  If we can get a developer talked into it, we could
> > >> start colo.olug.org as a billing portal. :)
> > >>
> > >> I would be in for 5U (1x1U Server and 1x4U server).  I would still
> > >> obviously need to run it past the wife.
> > >>
> > >> Curtis LaMasters
> > >> http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
> > >> http://www.builtnetworks.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Dan Clough <dclough at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> Pain-in-the-ass way it is.  I had articles for a nonprofit typed up,
> > I'll start working on articles for a LLC.
> > >>>
> > >>> What should we call it?  The usual "(insert city here) Community
> > Colocation Project" or do we want something that hasn't been beaten into
> the
> > ground?
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: "Charles.Bird" <charles.bird at powerdnn.com>
> > >>>
> > >>> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 14:43:20
> > >>> To: Omaha Linux User Group<olug at olug.org>
> > >>> Subject: Re: [olug] Community Colo Project
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> From my experience, the pain in the ass way is usually the best way.
> > >>> The pain in the ass way might be for us to form our own entity.
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm not a 100K per year super Linux admin(yet?) if I made even 70k
> I'd
> > take
> > >>> it on with my own responsibility.
> > >>> All I can do is contribute cash and time, and some equipment.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Dan Clough <dclough at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Figuring out a pricing structure is a priority at this point in
> time,
> > >>>> but that's currently on hold until we find out what the damage is
> for
> > >>>> the Pinpoint cage and power circuits.  With all the pledges of
> > equipment
> > >>>> we've seen so far, I doubt our expenses will exceed that of the cage
> > >>>> space, power and bandwidth.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> While we're on the subject of finances, we *really* need to decide
> > what
> > >>>> we're going to do about legal entities.  I've been juggling ideas
> > which
> > >>>> include forming our own nonprofit corporation, piggybacking on
> another
> > >>>> organization or just dumping it on one person's shoulders.  The last
> > one
> > >>>> is an obvious no-no as I doubt anyone would want to take sole fiscal
> > >>>> responsibility of the venture if it went tits-up.  Ideas?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Dave Rowe wrote:
> > >>>>> Phil Brutsche wrote:
> > >>>>>> People should be allowed to bring in anything they want (given
> > >>>>>> reasonable hardware constraints - ie 4U or smaller rackmount) as
> > long as
> > >>>>>> they maintain their machine(s) properly and bay their bill.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I'm just making sure people are performing reality checks, we
> > shouldn't
> > >>>>>> be getting any grandiose ideas and ordering a 50Mbps line under
> the
> > >>>>>> assumption that there will be that many "clients".
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Dan Clough wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Well, that's just it.  Hopefully it won't just be us, hopefully
> we
> > >>>>>>> can get people who want colocation or even local web hosting but
> > >>>>>>> can't find it... Even if it means inviting the WUG in... ;)
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> We want enough capacity for us to fill and for any other
> "clients"
> > >>>>>>> we'll hopefully bring on board.  20Meg should be fine.
> > >>>>> With that in mind, does someone who has an idea (ballpark is even
> > >>>>> valuable) as to what the monthly cost (+ setup? ie, to help cover
> the
> > >>>>> Cogent installation?) per U is?  Then, people who might use it can
> > >>>>> evaluate (reply to the list) with what they'd want (no obligation).
> > >>>>> Then, you'd have a better idea of how big the client base is, and
> > what
> > >>>>> the estimated usage would be.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I've throughly enjoyed following this, and see myself as a
> potential
> > >>>>> 'client' of this, but without knowing the monthly cost, I'm not
> fully
> > >>>>> 'sold' on it.
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