[olug] trouble

Mon Dec 28 23:53:33 UTC 2009

Does anyone have a suggestion for a good apt based KDE distribution 
then?  I'm far too entrenched in my ways to learn another packaging system.

	Sam Tetherow

DYNATRON tech wrote:
> i'd have to agree with your KDE comments. i used to use it exclusively for
> linux, but i didn't like KDE's performance on any (k)ubuntu distribution
> i've tried. i was under the false impression that KDE 4 sucked until i tried
> it with some other distros. it's actually (still) a very good desktop.
> 
> as far as ubuntu and KDE - that's not a deal breaker for me. gnome fits my
> needs better on my desktop, and my brain is now wired for gnome shortcut
> keys that don't work on KDE without extra configuration.
> 
> i would recommend using a different distro if you are a fan of KDE. however,
> if you are a gnome user, give ubuntu a try.
> 
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 9:17 AM, T. J. Brumfield <enderandrew at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
>> Distros decide which drivers they compile into the kernel. Hardware
>> compatibility does differ a little from distro to distro, but for the
>> most part, hardware compatibility is fairly the same.
>>
>> Ubuntu ships the Gnome desktop, but they didn't write Gnome, nor have
>> they pushed much code upstream.
>>
>> Personally, I loathe Gnome. Others enjoy it. To each their own, but I
>> honestly go KDE > Windows > Gnome.
>>
>> Red Hat/Fedora, and SLED/openSUSE push far more code upstream. They
>> not only put out very easy to use desktops, that are more stable
>> (Ubuntu does tend to put out tons of broken packages), but they push
>> for more innovation.
>>
>> Who developed Compiz? That was openSUSE. Who is pushing for most of
>> the feature development with Mono, Evolution, OpenChange, OpenOffice,
>> Samba, Moonlight, etc? Again, that is openSUSE. Their installation
>> tool (Yast) was around before Ubuntu. And didn't Ubuntu just borrow
>> the Red Hat/Fedora install tool initially?
>>
>> The Red Hat/Fedora guys push for tons of major projects. Lately
>> they've been focusing on the Intel video drivers, Xorg and KMS, but
>> these guys really do push a lot of new code upstream.
>>
>> I keep hearing how Ubuntu invented and innovated. They've pushed Wubi
>> into the public eye. Apt honestly was better than yum and most rpm
>> systems initially, but that isn't the case these days. And Ubuntu
>> didn't develop apt. That was just part of Debian. Ubuntu helped
>> develop a nice notification system, but KDE also developed their own
>> notification system that arguably is just as good.
>>
>> What really concerns me is that each time there is a major Ubuntu
>> release, it is fairly broken. Ubuntu has the largest package
>> repositories, but their polish on packages is pretty piss-poor. Their
>> KDE desktop is the single worst of any major distro. Every major
>> complaint I've heard about KDE 4 is from someone who installed it via
>> Ubuntu/Kubuntu, and had KDE crashing left and right.
>>
>> If you try a good distro like openSUSE, Arch, Sabayon, etc. you'd see
>> a fast, responsible, and stable KDE. I really don't know how the
>> Ubuntu guys botch their KDE packages so badly.
>>
>> -- T. J.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 8:14 AM, DYNATRON tech <dynatron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> yeah, some wireless and video hardware don't work (or don't fully work)
>>> until you install a provided driver and reboot. not a deal breaker as far
>> as
>>> i'm concerned. it's usually a matter of ubuntu not installing proprietary
>>> drivers by default. i think there is an option in the text installer that
>>> will eliminate this issue, but i just do it post-install.
>>>
>>> it (8.04 --> 9.10) installs flawlessly on most of my hardware from my PII
>>> 450MHz VCR to my AMD X2 64-bit dual core laptop.
>>>
>>> luke, i'm not sure what issue you might be having with your installs, but
>>> you have a great resource here on OLUG, and there is a huge communtiy in
>> the
>>> ubuntu forums always willing to help.
>>>
>>>
>>> wishing you all had a great holiday,
>>>
>>> -j
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Dave Thacker <dthacker at bluestrain.net
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday 27 December 2009 10:33:17 pm Luke-Jr wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday 24 December 2009 02:14:04 pm DYNATRON tech wrote:
>>>>>> the innovation of ubuntu is that it is the most user-friendly
>> distro.
>>>>>> little-to-no configuration is needed for it to work properly on most
>>>>>> modern hardware. it's optimistically the windows killer,
>>>> pessimistically
>>>>>> it's just a really good distro.
>>>>> Linux does all the hardware stuff, and as Rob pointed out via Greg's
>>>>>  article, Canonical/Ubuntu do next to nothing there. In theory,
>> anything
>>>>>  using Linux will work on the same hardware. That said, I have been
>>>>>  constantly amazed at how Ubuntu won't even boot on a single PC I own,
>>>> and
>>>>>  always has hardware issues on every system I've tried it on. Also, I
>>>>>  *only* use Linux, so it's NOT a problem with Linux in general. So,
>> no,
>>>>>  Ubuntu is FAR from good (or even decent) in the "it just works" area
>>>>>  regarding hardware...
>>>> I just built a new system, loaded Kubuntu 9.10 , and was ready to roll
>> in
>>>> less
>>>> than 60 minutes. (Note: The OS load and boot was 60 mins,  I had to
>> learn
>>>> how to build the modern hardware and that took a few days)   I've loaded
>>>> Ubuntu server 7.10 through 9.04 on a variety of HP G2, IBM X-Series, and
>>>> Dell desktops with no hardware issues.  The worst hardware issue I've
>> had
>>>> was an internal wireless card on a Dell laptop, but that was easily
>> solved
>>>> with fwcutter.  Now I haven't loaded it on my Alpha yet, but if that
>> didn't
>>>> work I wouldn't be too upset.
>>>>
>>>> YMMV when you install Ubuntu.  My experiences have been mostly positive.
>>>> It's worked better than my snowblower, and it certain has cost a lot
>> less!
>>>> Dave Thacker
>>>>
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