[olug] starting broadband ISP, any suggestions?

Sam Tetherow tetherow at shwisp.net
Mon Aug 20 18:04:01 UTC 2012 

Line of sight is pretty much going to be a requirement for wireless if 
you are talking about any distance (more than a mile or tow) or any real 
speed (faster than 2-4mbps real throughput).

On 08/20/2012 08:41 AM, Justin Reiners wrote:
> Thanks rob! You gave some awesome starting points. I will start there. The
> tower is located east of Des Moines, so a little further than 50km, I would
> love for someone to be able to test it. We do have an accountant there we
> could probably set them up to test, The bullets look very interesting, I
> assume those go on the tower? how many users can one support? Line of site
> is not generally required, in fact dropping it would be a lot easier to set
> up. Do you run an ISP?
> On Aug 20, 2012 3:58 AM, "Rob Townley"<rob.townley at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> Not sure what you are asking, but ubnt.com has some cool wireless
>> stuff and starting to incorporate GPS into equipment to help maximize
>> signal-to-noise ratio. It would be worth it to register and poke
>> around in their forums even if you do not use their stuff.
>>
>> 100Mbps long range 50km wireless using their AirMax stuff.
>> Line-of-sight, but i wonder if you could get substantial bandwidth
>> even when not line-of-sight.  Since bullet Ms are inexpensive ($50),
>> it would be worth buying several to test out.  Let me know how dead-on
>> line-of-sight accurate is actually required.
>> http://www.ubnt.com/airmax#bulletm
>>
>>
>> ubiquiti's airfiber is not microwave as it 24GhZ (yes, that is right,
>> no decimal. twenty-four GhZ) and claims to support 1GB wireless to
>> 13km.  Line-of-sight.  Developed from a former Motorola team.
>> http://www.ubnt.com/airfiber
>>
>> i had trouble finding a distributor that would actually sell me a
>> bullet m when i first tried a year or so ago.  But now,
>> http://www.microcom.us/bullet5.html sells several versions.  So no, i
>> do NOT have any real experience with this long range hardware, but
>> would be interested to see what you find.  If you are within 50km of
>> the Westroads, i might be willing to test.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:51 AM, Justin Reiners<justin at hotlinesinc.com>
>> wrote:
>>> line of site wireless is the dream, that is more my bosses realm, I just
>>> move packets. he leases space on his tower to many different companies.
>> He
>>> thinks he can do some type of directional microwave transmission, said it
>>> will easily support his speeds he is looking for.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:49 AM, Jason N<dashrender at cox.net>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> how are you going to get from your tower to the clients?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---- Justin Reiners<justin at hotlinesinc.com>  wrote:
>>>> Ohh, touche, I guess on cox and such everyone is on the same network
>> (for
>>>> the most part), just firewalled on the client side (we hope :) ) so you
>>>> think regular off the shelf (meaning cisco and such, not linksys or
>>>> netgear) routers and switches. good good. My boss has checked on his
>> pipe,
>>>> can get it for about 9 grand a month, (1Gigabit, multiple fiber drops
>>>> already exist at his tower.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:27 AM, Kevin<sharpestmarble at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>> What if some business that you provide service to wants to contact
>> some
>>>>> other business you provide service to? i.e. A small business that
>> hosts
>>>>> their own website or mail server?
>>>>> On Aug 20, 2012 12:23 AM, "Justin Reiners"<justin at hotlinesinc.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> The upstream bandwidth will be fiber, 1 gigabit, already priced. The
>>>>> users
>>>>>> will be business users, requiring at least 50/50, or whatever they
>>>> need.
>>>>>> their will be 100Mb users as well. I would like all users
>> (businesses)
>>>> IP
>>>>>> to be segregated for security reasons. all businesses will need
>> static
>>>>>> public IPs. Last mile will be microwave.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Kevin<sharpestmarble at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> What is your upstream bandwidth like? Fiber? From who? They are
>> the
>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> you'll need to buy your IPs from. You don't need to buy a public
>> IP
>>>> for
>>>>>>> everyone, just use NAT(assuming they're home users), although
>> there
>>>> are
>>>>>>> some who would take issue with that. Some of those who would take
>>>> issue
>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> people of this list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Routing could be done using a Linux box. You'd need multiple
>>>>> interfaces,
>>>>>>> and you'd want it to be redundant, although you'd want that as
>> part
>>>> of
>>>>>> any
>>>>>>> setup you would use. Play with iptables some to get it set up and
>>>>> running
>>>>>>> properly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What kind of networks will you be running that you'll want to keep
>>>>>>> separate?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 19, 2012 11:57 PM, "Justin Reiners"<
>> justin at hotlinesinc.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hey eveyone, weird question, I have done my googling, to no
>> avail.
>>>> I
>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> wondering if anyone here works for an ISP, or has the
>> understanding
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> first time setup. My boss have come to me with a task, He is
>>>> looking
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> starting an ISP in his home town, as there are no, 100MB+ isps
>> in
>>>> the
>>>>>>> area,
>>>>>>>> connection type is fixed wireless, or microwave. He owns a
>> tower in
>>>>>> IA, I
>>>>>>>> cannot say where exactly it is located because he hosts things
>> for
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> CIA,
>>>>>>>> FBI and such. He also has fiber to the building, unused at the
>>>>> moment,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> he also has all the capital he needs to get it going. I have
>> some
>>>>>>>> questions, He wants to start with 1Gb of bandwidth, and knows
>>>> plenty
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> businesses in the area that are looking to go faster.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. When the fiber is installed, will we be left with a 1Gigabit
>>>>>> Ethernet
>>>>>>>> port I route off of?
>>>>>>>> 2. I assume we will need to buy public IPs. any idea on the
>> costs?
>>>>>>>> 3. What types of switches and routers do you recommend, (hoping
>> it
>>>> is
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> ethernet) (number of users will be around 20 at first, then the
>> sky
>>>>> is
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> limit.)
>>>>>>>> 4. can the routing be done using a linux box?
>>>>>>>> 5. Can multiple users use the same directional antenna?
>>>>>>>> 6. How can we keep networks seperate?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any help will be appreciated. I am hoping someone in the group
>>>> works
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> this type of thing. google has not been much help, I find a lot
>> of
>>>>> OLD
>>>>>>> ISP
>>>>>>>> pages, talking of dialup modems of such. lol.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
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