[olug] starting broadband ISP, any suggestions?

[Rob Townley]

Thanks Sam - that was exactly the info i was looking for - the
economics of the technology.

Since only 1 manufacturer is shipping anything, i suppose the
empirical rain and wind results have not come in.


On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:55 PM, Sam Tetherow <tetherow at shwisp.net> wrote:
> There are a couple of manufacturers in the space although only one that i
> know of is actually shipping product.  You need an experimental license
> (which is not hard to get) to use the equipment and you will need deep
> pockets for the forseeable future.  APs seem to be in the $4k range with
> CPEs in the $800 range.  Which in and of itself is not horribly bad, you can
> spend that on other wireless gear, but when you look at the specs you are
> realistically looking at between 8-16Mbps over the air rate per 6MHz
> channel, so figure 4-8Mbps TCP throughput per AP, per channel, there is some
> talk of bonding two channels together, but that is still only 8-16Mbps which
> is about 2-3 times 802.11b rates.
>
> I'm sure that they will be able to increase this some with MIMO, but the
> problem you run into at that low of frequency is your datarate will be
> inherently lower due to physics and you noise floor will be higher due to
> signal propagation (assuming any install density).
>
> The FCC announced that they are going to Incentive Auction some of the TVWS
> although they have not said how much.  There is a persistent belief that
> some of the spectrum will be reserved for unlicensed/licensed-lite use but
> until the the auction rules are set we will not know how much.  In rural
> areas it will be better, since there are more open channels than in urban
> areas and anyone willing to buy the spectrum is going to be interested in
> purchasing nationwide blocks, not piecemeal parcels.
>
> Realistically, from a broadband provider front we will not see generally
> available equipment for 6-12 months, and we will not see any sort of mass
> produced, affordable equipment for 18-24 months.
>
> I'm not sure where things are from a 'consumer' product standpoint, but my
> guess is it will be even farther out, and depending on the FCC rules it
> could be longer depending on how much spectrum is reserved.
>
>
>
> On 10/12/2012 12:16 PM, Rob Townley wrote:
>>
>> Whatever happened to whitespaces spectrum?
>>
>> On a sidenote, i don't care if BigBird gets funded by IRS money, but
>> the rural TV towers themselves and maybe WhiteSpace ISPs in rural
>> areas make sense to me.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Chris Brandstetter
>> <sirloxelroy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>> On 08/29/2012 12:00 PM, olug-request at olug.org wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Send OLUG mailing list submissions to olug at olug.org
>>>>
>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>>> https://lists.olug.org/mailman/listinfo/olug or, via email, send a
>>>> message with subject or body 'help' to olug-request at olug.org
>>>>
>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at olug-owner at olug.org
>>>>
>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more
>>>> specific than "Re: Contents of OLUG digest..."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Re: starting broadband ISP, any suggestions? (Tom Fritz)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________ OLUG mailing list
>>>> OLUG at olug.org https://lists.olug.org/mailman/listinfo/olug
>>>>
>>> For BGP you could run OpenBGPD on OpenBSD.
>>>
>>> - --
>>> Chris Brandstetter
>>>
>>> - -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
>>> Version: 3.1
>>> GCS/IT d+(-) s++:++ a C++++$ UBLISXC*++++$ P++++$ L+++$ E-- W+++ N+ o K-
>>> w-- O M++$ V PS- PE Y+ PGP++ t++ 5+++ X+ R- tv-- b+>+++ DI D+ G+ e+ h++
>>> r
>>> y?
>>> - ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
>>>
>>> To Decode: http://www.ebb.org/ungeek/
>>>
>>>
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
>>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux)
>>> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/
>>>
>>> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQPlNpAAoJEI/5HSnQS62oqs0IAIJm9T76qrJsJ1B8xnsEv4m3
>>> MKmZstY56KHMwi6zzMT4XTI+M9UPGPLhbgwMFYulyyWIe/iKuo6IXi4gXEA5PNzf
>>> lErq4l0f2rhF3CKJlnEkNp0O8qb4XQSD0KSZx5QRnY/csSYtIz08rn2yNey2iSXC
>>> hlh7AvjfqbdXHofjzJVcII12V4JnXefvX8Dfad8ESi3uB40LxqPqGRhwRMs1Rtw1
>>> urYLhQbQiv58+IEx/SYpChv/f2ssx3HEW/ZXnUavFwGKHSB0DtmhBiOJcx5WlAIB
>>> YEbberh/G/9dpnhq8noEjCGLX+vxrT2F83ZgIrpEtA60KlKnAhtfwG2w7ZXqypI=
>>> =yj+K
>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OLUG mailing list
>>> OLUG at olug.org
>>> https://lists.olug.org/mailman/listinfo/olug
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OLUG mailing list
>> OLUG at olug.org
>> https://lists.olug.org/mailman/listinfo/olug
>
>