[olug] Disappointment and a question ...

Sat Apr 5 18:04:27 UTC 2014

Can confirm 7 runs great on virtualbox with 512mb+ ram
On Apr 5, 2014 11:41 AM, "dashrender" <dashrender at cox.net> wrote:

> Windows 7 and 8 both use less resources than xp.
>
>
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> <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Timothy Goshinski <
> tgoshinski at gmail.com> </div><div>Date:04/04/2014  11:38 PM  (GMT-06:00)
> </div><div>To: Omaha Linux User Group <olug at olug.org> </div><div>Subject:
> Re: [olug] Disappointment and a question ... </div><div>
> </div>Windows XP runs good in VirtualBox on my Kubuntu box.  It's an old
> Core2
> Duo so not really beefy enough to pull off Windows 7 or 8, though it could
> passably run Win7 with all of the eye-candy turned off.
>
> Personally I can't stand Unity so I've stuck with KDE since I left FluxBox
> on my old FreeBSD system.
>
>
>   --=
> =--
> *Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant.* - Anonymous
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:56 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I had/have issues with flash but not because of the OS. ;)  I live in
> linux
> > as my main desktop and only remote into a virtual windows box when I have
> > to admin my windows network at work.  We keep the MS tax to a minimum at
> my
> > company, even windows desktops run openoffice, but most just use Google
> > Docs.  We threw out exchange and migrated to gmail and apps a few years
> > back.
> >
> > for my $0.02, there is no reason to run either M$ or iO$ unless you
> require
> > an app that only runs on one of those two con systems, oops I mean
> > operating systems.  I've got chrome, firefox, and sublime.  I write code
> > primarily in Python and HTML/javasccript   All of which run pretty much
> > everywhere.  The shell in iO$ is superior to m$ but since I don't spend
> my
> > time listening to tunes and obsessing about my desktop background, and
> > twirly wheels to amuse me while I'm waiting for my apps to load or my
> > system to reboot because I just plugged in a new mouse.  I've got three
> > screens and 4 desktops worth of stuff going on that keeps my employer
> happy
> > about paying me to do my job.  Man I love xfce on ubuntu.  It just stays
> > the h#!! out of my way -- the way a Desktop/OS should.  The less I have
> to
> > concern myself with an OS the more I like it.  Just like the IT industry
> in
> > general, when we are doing are jobs the right way, nobody notices us.  I
> > mean really, windows is so last century.  And apple -- just what does it
> > bring to the table besides bling for bucks and to show what a good
> consumer
> > you are?   Apple is the over-priced Air Jordans of computers and consumer
> > devices.  People pay too much for them and then they worry about free
> trade
> > chocolate?   total face-palm!  sorry, starting to hyper ventilate here
> <g>
> >  I'll go outside to cool down and look at my neighbors' 4 wheel/all wheel
> > drive vehicles they need to get them across the metro and Interstate
> > system.  Can't let snow stop you from getting to Applebees.
> >
> > best,
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Matthew Goeres <mgoeres at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I ran Ubuntu and Mint linux for several years, but ended up switching
> to
> > a
> > > Mac awhile back.
> > >
> > > I was so tired of flash issues and dealing with cryptic programs. I
> still
> > > have a desktop running Mint but it's only real function is that it is
> my
> > VM
> > > staging area with VMware workstation and also connects to my ESX hosts
> > > which I do all from a VNC or RDP session.
> > >
> > > Now with HTML5 being used for a lot of things like youtube I could
> > > probably do a linux distro again, but my macbook is much more convent
> at
> > > this point and I still have a shell if I need to do something as simple
> > as
> > > an NMAP or do some text manipulation on a file.
> > >
> > > -Matt
> > >
> > > On Apr 4, 2014, at 9:52 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <jeffh at dundeemt.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'd say Ubuntu -- Speaking as someone who helps others and my entire
> > > > family, including wife, runs ubuntu -- not a problem.  My kids have
> > only
> > > > seen windows boxes on tv and in school.  If you want to see how most
> > > > distros would work/look on your box, most have a live version you can
> > put
> > > > on a thumbdrive and try out before you commit.
> > > >
> > > > My parents run ubuntu on their laptop.  Install fests are so last
> > century
> > > > because yes, you can do it without dropping to a command line.  I
> > > encourage
> > > > you to take a look at what is out there right now.
> > > >
> > > > I am not an ubuntu fanboy, just ask and I'll let you know how they
> > gnomed
> > > > things up but in general, it is what I recommend.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Jeff
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 9:30 PM, David Gilman <davidgilman1 at gmail.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> If you want usable out of the box and UNIX look at MacOS X.
> > > >> On Apr 4, 2014 8:19 PM, "unfy" <olug at unfy.org> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> First up, I'm not looking for a flame war.  This is just a
> legitimate
> > > >>> question.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> -----------------------
> > > >>>
> > > >>> So, I've been using Linux since about Slackware 3.0 or something
> like
> > > >>> that. 1996/1997 or so.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I used linux as my desktop OS for the longest time because I was
> > tired
> > > of
> > > >>> how unstable windows was, etc.  I'd boot into windows to play games
> > if
> > > >>> necessary - but my day to day life was under linux.  I even used it
> > at
> > > >> work
> > > >>> with windows in a virtual machine.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I eventually picked up a dell notebook that had XP SP1 on it (2003
> ?)
> > > ...
> > > >>> and being open to new things, decided to give it a fair shake.
> >  After a
> > > >>> month or so I was generally happy with how stable it was and
> decided
> > to
> > > >>> leave linux behind as a desktop OS.  There was generally better
> > > hardware
> > > >>> support under XP ... and it seemed stable.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I've stuck with linux / bsd as a server OS though.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Fast forward to 2014 and a coworker has been fiddling with some
> > > different
> > > >>> linux distro's.  Ubuntu, Zoran (or whatever), and a few others.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I had to walk away shaking my head.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --------------
> > > >>>
> > > >>> The question:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Is there a linux distro that is actually USEFUL to folks out of the
> > > box ?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Something like a working control panel ?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Base / simple configuration of services (with the understanding
> that
> > > >>> complex stuff will require editing a config file) ?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Feedback when an application is loading in the background ?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> An error message if an application fails to load ?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Non-cryptic cd/dvd burning software ?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Customizing start menu / widget stuff isn't black voodoo ?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Something where I don't have to drop to the console to fix 90% of
> the
> > > >>> problems ?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Basically, it seems like looking back over the last 20 years - I've
> > > seen
> > > >>> different distros hit all of these subjects and sometimes complete
> > said
> > > >>> task - only to change it / drop it a few releases later etc.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Is there a distro that SIMPLY WORKS FOR THE HOME USER ? Doesn't
> have
> > to
> > > >> be
> > > >>> the prettiest thing on the planet, but lets you accomplish
> everything
> > > ya
> > > >>> need to do out of the box ? And isn't a PITA to use ? Is there a
> > distro
> > > >>> that quits trying to re-invent every aspect of the wheel with each
> > > >> release ?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I know what I'm asking is a bit subjective - but seriously - what
> > ever
> > > >>> happened to "this tool does one thing and does it really well"
> > > mentality
> > > >>> (see most of the command line tools) ?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> When subjectively looking at the 4 or so distro's my coworker fired
> > up,
> > > >>> Windows 3.1, Windows 95, BeOS, OS/2, etc were all more functionally
> > > >>> complete.  Hell, I still think BeOS rocks :D.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> There is ZERO chance I'd use any of them as a desktop OS.  I'd be
> > more
> > > at
> > > >>> home in the 2.0 kernel days and Afterstep / Windowmaker hehehe.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> KDE looked like it was trying pretty hard in the early pre-1.0 and
> > > >> 1.0/2.0
> > > >>> days to get things somewhat there....
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ----------------------
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Sure, most distro's come with the standard apps like open office or
> > > >>> whatever it's called these days.  And a couple options of browsers.
> > > >> Maybe a
> > > >>> few 'explorer' like programs.  A few media consumption programs.
> Some
> > > of
> > > >>> these applications may or may not work.  Others might offer some
> > closed
> > > >>> source drivers that may or may not work on your hardware depending
> on
> > > the
> > > >>> age of your hardware.   (that brings up more fun.  want to run
> older
> > > >>> hardware - gotta run an older distro.  but then if you have a
> problem
> > > >> with
> > > >>> something, everything/one says you need to upgrade your distro...
> > which
> > > >> you
> > > >>> cant cause of the older hardware etc).
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Is there a distro that has a checklist of "this is what this distro
> > > MUST
> > > >>> do from a functionality stand point", and then it sticks to making
> > that
> > > >>> happen ?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ----------------------
> > > >>>
> > > >>> With the above said, I did make use of Mythbuntu for many years on
> my
> > > >> HTPC
> > > >>> box (with two hauppage pvr-150's).  But - that was mostly just
> > getting
> > > >> the
> > > >>> OS to run mythfrontend and mythbackend  and nothing else.  Did have
> > to
> > > >>> patch alsa by hand all the time for HDMI audio over nforce 630i
> > chipset
> > > >>> (don't think i ever pushed the patch upstream though heh).
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Best,
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Hinrichs
> > > > 402.218.1473
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