[olug] any WordPress whizzes on board?

Fri Dec 7 16:52:10 CST 2018

"I don't think thatWordPress would have a plugin to do what you are 
looking for"

I'll admit that my particular situation is odd, but really, all I'm 
asking WordPress to do is perform its core Export and Import functions 
correctly.  They're right there on a vanilla WordPress, under Tools / 
Export and Tools / Import.  And any old user's WordPress might involve 
pages with resized images.  I'm not asking WordPress to do anything 
outlandish, just export / import pages so that their images remain intact.

Well, copying files seems to work under 5.0, which just came out, so 
hopefully it'll be with us for a while.  Problem is, we really don't 
know whether the same trick will work under 5.1.

> Sorry, I thought it was a straightforward question.
>
> I was just asking mainly to see what bells and whistles you had to work
> with.
>
> you might be able to snapshot the machine and work on a clone, which is why
> I asked. There are plenty of Linux pros in this room, as well as the
> average visitor posting from time to time.
>
> If it were me I'd clone the whole machine, or at least the root to another
> instance and muck around there to test it out. You should be able to get
> all the prerequisites you need installed easily, I don't think that
> WordPress would have a plugin to do what you are looking for, as far as
> merging stuff at the database level but if you can do it once, you can
> script it... We have a ton of dev's working on our website at any given
> time, we merge with GIT, and only push changes we want public to master.
>
> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 4:24 PM Lou Duchez <lou at paprikash.com> wrote:
>
>> The process in question involves merging the work of two groups that are
>> doing different things. One group is developing pages and pages of
>> content; the other group is working on fancy home page / look-and-feel /
>> headers and footers.  It's two groups operating in different settings on
>> different timetables, and we don't want the one group to accidentally
>> step on the other group's work.  So when we merge the two WordPresses,
>> the pages developed by Group 1 display with the formatting established
>> by Group 2.  The process actually works, except for those pesky resized
>> images, and occasional font cleanup because Group 1 copied/pasted text
>> rather than type it directly into WordPress.
>>
>> "Is it a cloud server?" - Um, define "cloud server"?  These days, almost
>> anything can count as a cloud server.  Groups 1 and 2 are using their
>> PCs to browse to WordPress like normal human beings, they're not using
>> Citrix or the like.  I don't know if that helps.
>>
>>
>>> each /site/ doesn't use its own database on MySQL? ie site1 site2 site3 I
>>> guess I'd need to know more about the setup, but 99% of the time, a
>>> WordPress move for me goes like this:
>>>
>>> 1. tar.gz up the source folder, even if it's cpanel and move to the new
>>> server
>>> 2. chown -r apache:apache /var/www/virtual/ on new server
>>> 3. set up apache virtual hosts and test
>>> 4. production
>>>
>>> I'd think the mapping you are talking about would be handled in MYSQL
>> DB's
>>> you'd move over, and all the files /should/ be where it's looking if you
>>> cloned both the DB and the webroot, and kept paths similar.
>>>
>>> But someone else can step in and tell me I'm wrong. Is it a cloud server?
>>> can you just make 2? try and export the info in a backup using a plugin,
>>> and on the new server try and restore. It's always been super clean for
>> me
>>> to just do it with the files, less of a chance it'll get screwed up, and
>>> normally there are just a few prerequisites that need to be installed, as
>>> in PHP and it's modules. I use centos for everything so for Debian/ubuntu
>>> the steps are slightly different.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 3:54 PM Lou Duchez <lou at paprikash.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks, I think you told me what I want to know.
>>>>
>>>> I'm comfortable using Linux for unchallenging operations, like
>>>> transplanting entire Wordpress so that it behaves identically in its new
>>>> home (dump the database, zip up the Wordpress directory, transplant, fix
>>>> .htaccess if need be).  My particular issue involves /merging/
>>>> Wordpresses, and that's where I worry more about tripping over
>>>> WordPress's internal mechanisms.  Like, to pull in pages from another
>>>> WordPress, that for sure needs to be an export / import operation, just
>>>> for ID and slug management. The database requires finesse, and it's far
>>>> better to rely on someone in the know (say, WordPress themselves) to
>>>> manage that.
>>>>
>>>> Merging images from another Wordpress /could/ be a nightmare, if there's
>>>> much or any database involvement.  That's why I'd really like to export
>>>> / import the images rather than just zip / unzip the "uploads"
>>>> directory.  The good news is, so far, there don't seem to be any
>>>> problems if I export / import the images and then zip / unzip any
>>>> resized versions; Wordpress seems not to feel anything questionable is
>>>> going on.
>>>>
>>>> But that could change at any time, and it sure would be nice if there
>>>> were a plugin that copied the complete set of images, with at least
>>>> lukewarm assurances that it was doing things the "approved" way.
>>>>
>>>> Honestly, I do not get why this isn't a well-trodden path.  If I create
>>>> a page, pull in an image, and resize it, WordPress will build a resized
>>>> version of that image and link  to it.  It follows that, if I'm
>>>> exporting that page for importing elsewhere, I'm likewise going to need
>>>> to export the resized image for importing elsewhere.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I own https://reiners.tech, feel free to hit me up if you need some
>>>> help.
>>>>> I do quite a bit of WordPress, Joomla hosting for businesses, those
>>>> clever
>>>>> workarounds work better than many plugins, which can also backfire.
>>>>>
>>>>> Normally when I install WordPress and move a site, I'll just copy the
>>>>> apache .conf file, and move the entire webroot to the new server, and
>>>>> `chown apache:apache /var/www/html`  to Apache, and move the DB if need
>>>> be.
>>>>> Moving things via command line is not really a clever workaround, it's
>>>> just
>>>>> how Linux works. If you use a plugin, you have to rely on it being both
>>>>> compatible with your version of WordPress, as well as coded right.
>>>>>
>>>>> Command line works 100% of the time for me. YMMV but I'd love to help
>> if
>>>>> you need it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 2:53 PM Lou Duchez <lou at paprikash.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone here do a lot of WordPress migration?  In particular, is there
>>>>>> any way to get WordPress's export / import functionality to migrate
>> not
>>>>>> only the main copy of an image, but any resized varieties of that
>>>>>> image?  I'm pretty sure I could just zip / unzip the
>> wp-content/uploads
>>>>>> directory, but I'd rather operate through WordPress than depend upon
>>>>>> Clever Workarounds.  Clever Workarounds have a way of backfiring.
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