[olug] Tor could be all the more important

[T. J. Brumfield]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Kevin <sharpestmarble at gmail.com> wrote:

> Neither do I. Once they start tracking this, it's a logical next step
> to tracking connections. At which point if it were a "we prefer you do
> this", then we open bittorrent for lots of legal torrents and start
> creating connections left and right and make it economically
> impossible for them to do so. However, this is the government. They
> will require ISPs to track this, whereupon it becomes a cost passed
> along to the consumer. And as for the slippery slope, we've started
> down it long ago. And....
>    First they came for the communists,
>    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
>
>    Then they came for the trade unionists,
>    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
>
>    Then they came for the Jews,
>    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
>
>    Then they came for me
>    and there was no one left to speak out for me.
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 11:15, Dave Rowe <dave at roweware.com> wrote:
> > /facepalm - you're right, Kevin.  A bit alarmist on my end.
> >
> > Still.  I don't like where this could go.
> >
> > -Dave
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Dave Rowe <dave at roweware.com> wrote:
> >> Where did you read that?  It referenced an early draft from 18 months
> >> ago would only track that information.
> >>
> >> From the beginning of the article:
> >> "A last-minute rewrite of the bill expands the information that
> >> commercial Internet providers are required to store to include
> >> customers' names, addresses, phone numbers, credit card numbers, bank
> >> account numbers, and temporarily-assigned IP addresses, some committee
> >> members suggested. By a 7-16 vote, the panel rejected an amendment
> >> that would have clarified that only IP addresses must be stored."
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Kevin <sharpestmarble at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> According to TFA, it was just accounting stuff and DHCP IPs that would
> >>> be tracked(name, address, bank account/CC#). Actual traffic and
> >>> connections wouldn't be logged.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:36, T. J. Brumfield <enderandrew at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> There has been evidence that Tor isn't really anonymous and can be
> tracked
> >>>> back to you. On top of that, they're talking ISP sniffing, so they're
> >>>> grabbing your data directly from your connection to the internet. So
> they'll
> >>>> have your MAC, and all your traffic.
> >>>>
> >>>> In the end, I'm not worried too much because ultimately I don't have
> >>>> anything to hide. But this should be just like any other kind of
> search, and
> >>>> dependent on a warrant. I'm not sure why warrantless tracking and
> searches
> >>>> are suddenly acceptable.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://xkcd.com/538/
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:32 AM, <jman at miwire.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   I keep all for at least one year....
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   Kelly Williams <kellywilliams81 at gmail.com> wrote ..
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ok I agree with you for the children, but our privacy like emails to
> >>>>> loved ones or IMs to that special someone that you love. In a way I
> am
> >>>>> glad I am cutting my internet service and use public internet. But
> using
> >>>>> https and tor with a proxy. Plus if sending a file to online backup
> >>>>> encrypt it before I send it....
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 7/29/2011 10:02 AM, Kevin wrote:
> >>>>> > But think of the children! What will protect them from Internet
> >>>>> > Pornographers?!?! :rolleyes:
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 09:55, Dave Rowe  wrote:
> >>>>> >> Using utilities like Tor and what not for protecting traffic -
> even
> >>>>> >> legit, 'normal' traffic.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>>
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20084939-281/house-panel-approves-broadene
> >>>>> d-isp-snooping-bill/?tag=mantle_skin;content
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