[olug] Tor could be all the more important

[Kevin]

I call intentional invoking of the law. I was referring to "there was
no one left to speak out for me"; the origins of the poem are
irrelevant to what I am saying.

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 12:01, T. J. Brumfield <enderandrew at gmail.com> wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Kevin <sharpestmarble at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Neither do I. Once they start tracking this, it's a logical next step
>> to tracking connections. At which point if it were a "we prefer you do
>> this", then we open bittorrent for lots of legal torrents and start
>> creating connections left and right and make it economically
>> impossible for them to do so. However, this is the government. They
>> will require ISPs to track this, whereupon it becomes a cost passed
>> along to the consumer. And as for the slippery slope, we've started
>> down it long ago. And....
>>    First they came for the communists,
>>    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
>>
>>    Then they came for the trade unionists,
>>    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
>>
>>    Then they came for the Jews,
>>    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
>>
>>    Then they came for me
>>    and there was no one left to speak out for me.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 11:15, Dave Rowe <dave at roweware.com> wrote:
>> > /facepalm - you're right, Kevin.  A bit alarmist on my end.
>> >
>> > Still.  I don't like where this could go.
>> >
>> > -Dave
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Dave Rowe <dave at roweware.com> wrote:
>> >> Where did you read that?  It referenced an early draft from 18 months
>> >> ago would only track that information.
>> >>
>> >> From the beginning of the article:
>> >> "A last-minute rewrite of the bill expands the information that
>> >> commercial Internet providers are required to store to include
>> >> customers' names, addresses, phone numbers, credit card numbers, bank
>> >> account numbers, and temporarily-assigned IP addresses, some committee
>> >> members suggested. By a 7-16 vote, the panel rejected an amendment
>> >> that would have clarified that only IP addresses must be stored."
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Kevin <sharpestmarble at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>> According to TFA, it was just accounting stuff and DHCP IPs that would
>> >>> be tracked(name, address, bank account/CC#). Actual traffic and
>> >>> connections wouldn't be logged.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:36, T. J. Brumfield <enderandrew at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>> There has been evidence that Tor isn't really anonymous and can be
>> tracked
>> >>>> back to you. On top of that, they're talking ISP sniffing, so they're
>> >>>> grabbing your data directly from your connection to the internet. So
>> they'll
>> >>>> have your MAC, and all your traffic.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In the end, I'm not worried too much because ultimately I don't have
>> >>>> anything to hide. But this should be just like any other kind of
>> search, and
>> >>>> dependent on a warrant. I'm not sure why warrantless tracking and
>> searches
>> >>>> are suddenly acceptable.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> http://xkcd.com/538/
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:32 AM, <jman at miwire.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>   I keep all for at least one year....
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>   Kelly Williams <kellywilliams81 at gmail.com> wrote ..
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Ok I agree with you for the children, but our privacy like emails to
>> >>>>> loved ones or IMs to that special someone that you love. In a way I
>> am
>> >>>>> glad I am cutting my internet service and use public internet. But
>> using
>> >>>>> https and tor with a proxy. Plus if sending a file to online backup
>> >>>>> encrypt it before I send it....
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On 7/29/2011 10:02 AM, Kevin wrote:
>> >>>>> > But think of the children! What will protect them from Internet
>> >>>>> > Pornographers?!?! :rolleyes:
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 09:55, Dave Rowe  wrote:
>> >>>>> >> Using utilities like Tor and what not for protecting traffic -
>> even
>> >>>>> >> legit, 'normal' traffic.
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>> >>
>> >>>>>
>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20084939-281/house-panel-approves-broadene
>> >>>>> d-isp-snooping-bill/?tag=mantle_skin;content
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